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Lennon The Mobster & The Lawyer on Tell Me Why Podcast

Tell Me Why podcast
Tell Me Why podcast
TELL ME WHY – “A short, sharp podcast for busy Beatles People in-the-know!”
 “Tell Me Why” on the YouTube Channel
Host: Jude Southerland Kessler – Author of The John Lennon Series  
Producer: Rande M. Kessler

Special Guest – Jay Bergen, author of Lennon, the Mobster & The Lawyer

Jay Bergen
Jay Bergen

Listen to the Interview here:

Don’t forget to register for 10 December John Lennon Focal Points
Free webinar The Beatles Holiday Party
Featuring Co-Host Joe Johnson of Beatle Brunch Radio 
Special Guests – Scott R. McKinley
presentsThe Beatles 1964 Christmas Message!! 

Mark and Carol Lapidos with a preview of the New York Metro Fest for Beatles Fans 

Register Here: A Fab Party!!
Upcoming guests on “Tell Me Why” David Bedford of The Beatles Bookstore, author of Liddypool, The Fab One Hundred and Four, The Country of Liverpool, and more… 
Bill King author of Large Time Editor of Beatlefan magazine  
Scott R. McKinley Narrator and Voice Actor for She Loves You, Vol. 3 in The John Lennon Series
andJay Bergen’s Lennon, the Mobster & the Lawyer
 Remember to visit the John Lennon Series to pre-order a signed, dated, numbered copy of Some Forever Shades of Life, Part Two (Aug. 1965 – March 1966)  Book Release Party March 28-30, 2025 at The New York Metro Fest for Beatles Fans! 

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The Doctor Prescribed The Beatles to David Bedford

How do you become a Beatles author, blogger, filmmaker, podcaster and member of The Quarrymen?

You get ill with a chronic incurable, painful, condition, but find a very wise and understanding doctor.

David far left with The Quarrymen
David far left with The Quarrymen

This is the story of how David Bedford started work on his first book, Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles, and went on to write and co-write several other books too, as well as the documentary film “Looking for Lennon” and so many more Beatles projects.

This is the story, from an interview in 2014 and then updated in 2024.

Discover David’s books here:

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A TRIBUTE TO MY FAVORITE BLOG ADMINISTRATOR – DAVID BEDFORD!!!

Liddypool Birthplace of The Beatles

I would like to take this opportunity to highlight many of the exciting, informative, and educational literary works of our blog administrator, David Bedford. I first met David at a Fest for Beatles Fans several years ago and was instantly impressed with his pleasant personality. It was a great way to meet David, sharing the atmosphere of a great Beatles-related gathering.

With my large Beatles book collection, very few authors can truly impress me either with new information or a different perspective about the Beatles story. David has fulfilled both of those tasks for me.  Here is a brief summary of some of his excellent books and work….David’s Beatles knowledge is often understated as he helps to expand the horizons of the Beatles knowledge-base for all of us to enjoy and relish.

All of the Beatles history is certainly not available to all of us, but David has made a significant contribution in uncovering a lot of information about our favorite band not previously known! For that accomplishment, we should all be very grateful!!!

Liddypool

David’s Liddypool book helps us all to understand why the force that rocked the world had to come from Liverpool. From the unique Scouse sense of humor to the ability of the Liverpudlians to take American music and present it back to America and the rest of the world in a unique and fascinating form/way.

Liddypool by David Bedford
Liddypool by David Bedford

Finding The Fourth Beatle

One of my favorite Bedford/ Popper books where virtually all of the people who at one time played drums for the Beatles are explored: Finding the Fourth Beatle. Guaranteed that you probably will learn quite a few things that you never knew before about the multiple individuals who played drums for the band. I found this book to be extremely informative and details not previously known to the public are finally exposed in this great work!

Finding the Fourth Beatle
Finding the Fourth Beatle

The Country of Liverpool: Nashville of The North

Another interesting book by David explores the influence of country music on Liverpool and how the Liverpool groups were able to synergistically mold country and pop music. The book also deals with the origins of skiffle and the Country roots of The Beatles. An excellent book by David!

The Country of Liverpool
The Country of Liverpool

The Beatles Fab Four Cities

David is one of the authors of this virtual travelogue of Beatles sites throughout 4 major world cities of Liverpool, Hamburg, London, and New York! The other authors of this wonderful book – The Beatles Fab Four Cities – are Susan Ryan and Richard Porter. Their expertise in the Beatles-related sites in the 4 cities mentioned is second to none!

The Beatles Fab Four Cities
The Beatles Fab Four Cities

The Fab One Hundred and Four: The Evolution of The Beatles

This book happens to be one of my favorites not only for the photographs of rare and some unknown Beatles-related personalities but of the numerous previously unknown stories that are revealed within this book. Can’t miss with this title: The Fab One Hundred and Four: The Evolution of The Beatles

The Fab One Hundred and Four
The Fab One Hundred and Four

Inspector Rocke

David has even toyed with murder fiction that is set in Liverpool, of course! Inspector Rocke. An excellent read and fiction of this type is very difficult to write. Kudos to you David!

Inspector Rocke
Inspector Rocke

Bill Zygmant: Where Did You Get That Shirt?

David Bedford and Paul Skellett used their respective talents and helped to organize this fabulous limited edition book by noted photographer, Bill Zygmant. Bill took some of the last photos of John and Yoko before they moved permanently to the United States. The fabulous photos of the Beatles and Jimi Hendrix contained within this book are other major highlights.

Bill Zygmant
Bill Zygmant

Looking for Lennon

One other David Bedford item I would like to mention is the documentary that David acted as the historian on and that is the fabulous DVD of “Looking for Lennon.”

I loved this examination of the early days about the founder of the world’s greatest pop band!

Additional details of the people that were involved with the creation of this project are provided at this link

Looking for Lennon – DVD – Beatlesshop by Brightmoon

Most of the book titles mentioned above are available at The Beatles bookstore with the link at the top of this page, or by clicking on the links and covers of the books.

Thanks, David, for all of the great work!!!

Wait until you see David’s next book project!!! It will make you wonder and imagine, “What if”? I can say no more!!!

Buzz

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The Fest for Beatles Fans

Fest for Beatles Fans

The Beatles Bookstore will be at The Fest for Beatles Fans in New York this coming weekend – 9th to 11th February 24. Come and find them in the Marketplace and talk to them and buy some books too! And if you can’t make it, you can order their books below.

Authors At The Fest:

David Bedford
David Bedford
Jude Kessler
Jude Kessler
Terry Crain
Terry Crain
Madeline Bocaro
Madeline Bocaro
Kit O'Toole
Kit O’Toole
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The Quarrymen: Rare Recollections of 6th July 1957

The Quarrymen on Doug Chadwick's Lorry
The Quarrymen on Doug Chadwick’s Lorry – Copyright Rod Davis/ James Davis

Doug Chadwick – Driver of The Lorry

Doug Chadwick was the driver of the lorry that famously carried John Lennon and the Quarrymen on the day that John met Paul.

Photo by Chris Chadwick of his dad Doug Chadwick, the lorry driver on July 6, 1957. The photo was taken at the Beatles Story in Liverpool!

Doug Chadwick by the display in The Beatles Story
Doug Chadwick by the display in The Beatles Story

Doug Chadwick’s kind note to me that accompanied the photo.

Letter from Doug Chadwick
Letter from Doug Chadwick

It is my understanding that Quarrymen Rod Davis’s dad, James Davis, took the famous photos from July 6, 1957, of the Quarrymen on their way to the Woolton Village Fete! It is amazing that not only are there photos from that day, but a reel-to-reel recording of two of the songs that the Quarrymen played that day also survives!

The Quarrymen on Doug Chadwick's Lorry - copyright Rod Davis/ James Davis
The Quarrymen on Doug Chadwick’s Lorry – copyright Rod Davis/ James Davis

An excellent video by our blog administrator, David Bedford regarding that very historic day!!! The Day John Met Paul – The Quarrymen 6th July 1957

My signed photo by the photographer that took the original photo, Geoff Rhind. Geoff’s signature is on the border surrounding the photo. Three Quarrymen also signed this photo! This photo was acquired through the kindness of Quarrymen member, Rod Davis!

Quarrymen photo signed by photographer Geoff Rhind, plus Colin Hanton, Rod Davis and Len Garry
Quarrymen photo signed by photographer Geoff Rhind, plus Colin Hanton, Rod Davis and Len Garry

Buzz

Discover More About The Quarrymen with Those Famous Photos

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The Beatles Decca Audition – Part 1

The Beatles at the Cavern
The Beatles at the Cavern Club
The Beatles at the Cavern Club

The Beatles Decca Audition

One of the most contentious moments in Beatles history happened on 1st January 1962, when John, Paul, George and Pete were driven south by Neil Aspinall for their audition at Decca Records.

Groups With Guitars Are On The Way Out?

Were guitar groups really on the way out as Decca producer and executive Dick Rowe supposedly told Brian Epstein? Was that why they failed the Decca Audition? Mike Smith had raved about The Beatles when he visited the Cavern just a couple of weeks earlier, so why would Rowe not like their sound? “When Mike came back,” said Rowe, “I said, ‘Well, what are they like?’ I wasn’t excited, but I was very interested because there was a lot of underground talk about them. Mike said, ‘Oh, they’re great!’ I said, ‘Well, you better bring them down and give them an audition.” (The Beatles: Oral History) 

Finding the Fourth Beatle

In Finding the Fourth Beatle, we decided to analyse the Decca audition in more detail than had been done before. There are so many subjective comments and biases that come through, that we felt we couldn’t just offer another author’s opinion on Pete Best, who seems to get a lot of blame. Was he responsible? Was he a crap drummer as some people think? So, we asked three drummers, of different generations, to listen to the Decca audition and give us their objective opinions on Pete’s drumming. It was very revealing!

The Tremeloes

Surely, if they were a three-part harmony, guitar-based group like Brian Poole and The Tremeloes. The sound was comparable, so was it simply a case of the two bands being too similar? On the surface, the answer is yes. However, when you dig a bit deeper, you can see why Dick Rowe didn’t sign The Beatles which, thankfully, meant that they were paired with George Martin and not Rowe.

So why has Dick Rowe been blamed for turning down The Beatles? Is the criticism justified? Was it simply a north-south divide problem? Was he biased against Liverpool artists? History shows that Rowe was responsible for the first no. 1 record by a Liverpool artist, even if it was “(How Much Is That) Doggie In The Window” by Lita Roza in March 1953. He also recorded “Halfway To Paradise” and “Jealousy”, two hits by Merseyside’s first rock ‘n’ roll star Billy Fury. The handsome singer-songwriter hailed from Liverpool, so wouldn’t that work in The Beatles’ favour?

So what was it? Did Dick Rowe make the decision, or did The Beatles make the decision for Dick Rowe? Put yourself in Rowe’s place; whom would you have signed? As you will see, it wasn’t a straight comparison between the two groups after all.

1st January 1962: Crying, Waiting, Hoping – The Story of The Audition

Let’s examine The Beatles’ Decca audition in more detail, song-by-song. Bear in mind that they performed these fifteen numbers in less than an hour, probably getting only one shot at each. Mike Smith has said that he expected them to reproduce the great performance he’d seen at the Cavern, and encouraged them to “play the whole spectrum of music” he’d heard.

Even though the songs were regularly performed in their act, they weren’t really representative of The Beatles’ sound. Brian was keen to demonstrate their wide range of talents, both individually and as a group, and to show their musical versatility. In hindsight, it was probably a mistake. But Brian didn’t impose the songs on them.

George and Paul

As George recalled: “In those days a lot of the rock ‘n’ roll songs were actually old tunes from the ‘40s, ‘50s or whenever, which people had rocked up. That was the thing to do if you didn’t have a tune; just rock up an oldie. Joe Brown had recorded a rock ‘n’ roll version of ‘The Sheik of Araby’. He was really popular on the Saturday TV show Six-Five Special and Oh Boy! I did the Joe Brown records, so I did ‘Sheik of Araby’. Paul sang ‘September in the Rain’. We each chose a number we wanted to do.” (Anthology) 

Pete thought that, in hindsight, they shouldn’t have allowed Brian to have as much say in the songs they performed: “It was a strange dish to set before the recording kings, with the emphasis on standards which, I remember, was mainly at Brian’s insistence. Really, we were doing little that was different.” (Beatle! The Pete Best Story) John later said that the group “should have rocked like mad in there and shown what we’re like when we’re roused.” (The Beatles: The Biography, Spitz) 

The Audition

Morning arrived all too soon – but not that early, as Brian Epstein noted: “At 11 am…we arrived at Decca in a thin bleak wind, with snow and ice afoot,” he said rather poetically, carefully omitting the detail. (Cellarful of Noise) 

Pete recalled Brian’s wrath after he’d warned them about staying out past ten: “When we got to the Decca studios the next day, we were late. Seems to be our history, being late, and Brian of course, was there before us. He was absolutely livid. He tore a strip off us left, right and centre. John just basically turned round and said, ‘Brian, shut up. We’re here for the audition, right.’” (Beatles at The BBC 2012)

Use Our Own Amps?

For some unexplained reason, The Beatles had taken their own amplifiers, as if they were turning up for a live gig. That was the first problem. Their cheap amps may have been passable for performing in clubs, but the hum the amplifiers emitted in the recording studio was an issue. When the hum proved far too audible to the sound engineers, they had to be changed for Decca’s own studio amps. “They didn’t want our tackle,” said Neil. “We had to use theirs. We needn’t have dragged our amps all the way from Liverpool.” (The Beatles. Hunter Davies) 

True! This clearly shows how ill-prepared and ill-informed they had been. Adding more headaches to their groggy condition, they also had to cope with a huge, open, icy-cold studio. Decca had been closed for the Christmas period and, consequently, there was little or no room heat.

The boys were accustomed to close interaction in their live performances, but the recording studio was quite another story. The unfamiliar layout meant they could not communicate in the usual way. To avoid sound bleeding into other microphones from the drums, Pete was situated behind a studio ‘baffle’, an isolation screen. This made direct eye contact with the others almost impossible for Pete as all four struggled to keep cue off each other.

Recording Separation

Don Dorsey, an engineer who has worked at Abbey Road, explained why this would be a problem: “A recording studio environment is quite different to a live environment. In a live hall, all band members are relatively close together and all their sound output mixes in the environment – the drummer hears everything. In a recording studio, it would be customary for the drummer to be separated from the rest of the band with a large wall-like sound baffle. The purpose of baffles is to keep sounds from one player intruding too much into the microphones of the others. As a result, to hear other band members well, headphones must be used and the sound would be nothing like a live appearance.” (Liddypool DB 2007)

The physical separation was new to The Beatles; the setup at the Hamburg recording sessions had been completely different. They also noticed for perhaps the first time the vast difference between playing to a control booth and performing in front of a live audience. As the top group in Liverpool and Hamburg, they had learnt to “mach shau” – to “work” the audience. This time around, the chance to recreate the magic of the Cavern, which Mike Smith had enjoyed so much, was impossible. On top of everything else, they had a classic case of audition nerves which affected their delivery of even the most familiar songs. No assessment of the Decca audition can be done without taking into consideration all these factors, both external and internal.

Seeing Red – Songs in the Key of Fraught Nerves and Temper Tantrums

Tensions had simmered from the moment The Beatles arrived, gathering even more momentum when the ever-punctual Brian became angered by the late arrival of the Decca staff. Culprit-in-chief was Mike Smith who, like the four lads, was also hung over from the night before. Brian took it personally. “Mike Smith was late and we were pretty annoyed about the delay. Not only because we were anxious to tape some songs but because we felt we were being treated as people who didn’t matter.” (Cellarful of Noise) Here, Epstein reveals his inner insecurity by letting slip his overblown sense of grievance about being treated as someone of importance.

In reality, The Beatles were no doubt relieved that they weren’t the only ones to arrive late, or the only ones to rattle Epstein’s code of behaviour. Dick Rowe avoided the flack this time. The man responsible for the final decision wasn’t at the session. That was left to Smith, who would report the feedback to Rowe later. In the meantime, with everyone finally in place, studio equipment was set up, levels were taken by the engineers in the control booth, and they were off. The scary red light came on, and in the silence and isolation of the Decca studio, the audition began.

Red Light Area

Although the use of the red light was customary to let everyone know that they were ready to record, it was a distraction. “They were pretty frightened,” said Neil. “Paul couldn’t sing one song. He was too nervous and his voice started cracking up. They were all worried about the red light. I asked if it could be put off, but we were told people might come in if it was off. ‘You what?’ we said. We didn’t know what all that meant.” (The Beatles. Hunter Davies) To add to the confusion, the group knew very little about all the microphones, booms and controls. The boys were truly in uncharted territory.

Part 2 here

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